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# 107 – Kewl Science Fiction Concepts

In this week’s episode, I show you five scenes from different science fiction films, each with its own unique twist. Scenes are pulled from: Battlestar Galactica Season 3, Episode 4: Exodus pt 2 Star Wars Ep. III: Revenge of the Sith Spaceballs: The DVD Ghostbusters TRON I could really use your help in continuing to produce this show. Sponsorships may be made from the sponsor page at www.jimgranger.com page but more importantly, I need production and creative assistance. If you would like to help, please contact me at www.jimgranger.com Pacific Fen Spotlight Home Page www.jimgranger.com Pacific Fen Spotlight proudly supports the Seattle in 2011 Worldcon bid www.seattlein2011.org ===========================================
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20 Comments on “# 107 – Kewl Science Fiction Concepts”

  1. #1 don13845
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Another amazing new concept with a great story is Galactic Battlefront, when it’s made into a tv and film series it’s gonna be sic. I hate amazon kindle but I went on my sister-in-laws last month just to buy the book early.

  2. #2 PacificFenSpotlight
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    And I will make a note of your book suggestion. I don’t get much time to read anymore :(

  3. #3 PacificFenSpotlight
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    @aculturemind And you are really missing the point here. I never said it worked in reality. NONE of the things in the clips I showed is possible at the moment with the exception of aerial dogfights. The kewl concept is about the story not about what is real. And duality is “the state or quality of being two or in two parts.” Education vs entertainment would indicate the two were mutually exclusive, not inclusive, and you’re right, they aren’t either, but I’m focusing on the entertainment. More..

  4. #4 aculturemind
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    @PacificFenSpotlight

    In literature, in art, there is no ‘educational vs entertaining’. That is where your duality is.

    I anticipated your response about ‘happenstance’. I think you’re missing the big picture.

    And, anything can work in a story…but it doesn’t necessarily ‘work’, meaning it doesn’t hold water. You want some realistic space battle stuff, check out the assault on Lalonde in Peter F. Hamilton’s Night’s Dawn Trilogy, I think book two of THE REALITY DYSFUNCTION.

  5. #5 PacificFenSpotlight
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    @aculturemind The scene is about the tactic used to launch the fighters safely before the Cylons could counter. In Robotech, they folded space to escape the Zentradi. The fact that they were in the atmosphere at the time was happenstance, not intentional by the characters.

    As for general tactics, of course you wouldn’t do it, which is why the tactic worked. It was unexpected. And there is no duality, which is why there’s no problem. Concentrate less on the science and more on the story.

  6. #6 aculturemind
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    @PacificFenSpotlight

    That you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. And you’re missing the fundamentals of the scene – dropping into atmosphere and space folding away – that was in Robotech. As for general tactics, you wouldn’t do it. For that matter, ‘fighter’ craft are impractical. They won’t have the firepower to matter to even a picket ship. This is space and futuristic tech, yo.

    And, this entertainment/education duality you have is your problem.

  7. #7 PacificFenSpotlight
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 2:48 pm

    @aculturemind If the new BSG ripped off everything else in SF existence, then where did they get the idea for using a battle carrier as a sub-orbital drop ship? I’ve never seen a capitol ship used in that fashion before, hence why I included it

    As for the tactically ridiculous, perhaps, but try and remember that these were movies written to entertain, not educate..

  8. #8 evesebben
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    The ”ludicrous speed” scene is one of the most funny ive ever seen. Nice piece.

  9. #9 aculturemind
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    Dude, while the first two Star Wars flicks were great movies, and the original BSG had its good points – tactically, both were fuckin ridiculous. So was Star Trek.

    This new BSG has ripped off everything SF and sci-fi in existence.

    The only things of note here are Ghostbusters, and most definitely, and still unrecognized by the majority, TRON.

  10. #10 WOWJBEOWULF
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    This is good, some original moments of Science Fiction.

  11. #11 cloudcityguardian
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 3:49 pm

    @Soren015 maybe in deep space

  12. #12 carlosreyes11
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    All great movies. Yeah that star wars movies would lookked even greater with the James Cameron awesome 3D CGI technology :)

  13. #13 PacificFenSpotlight
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 4:48 pm

    Matrix is the only one of those that has any relation to Tron in that sense but it would be more like Tron was the Grandfather of the Matrix. William Gibson, author of Neuromancer, is known as the father of Cyberpunk genre in which the Matrix falls into. I don’t know if Tron was one of Gibson’s influences but it was the first media known to depict cyberspace.

  14. #14 PacificFenSpotlight
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    I’m going to have to disagree with that. Tron and Blade Runner were released in the same year, 1982. Blade Runner was based off the short story “Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep” by Phillip K. Dick and that was written long before Tron. Ghost in the Shell is closer to Blade Runner and really has nothing to do with Tron.

  15. #15 richardhalo
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    There was a lot of logic in Tron movie. In case you wonder this movie is the father of Matrix along with Blade Runner and Ghost in the Shell.

  16. #16 thelolzfactory
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    3:59 is the best

  17. #17 PacificFenSpotlight
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    It would have but for two reasons:

    In movie, the ships were aligned in relation to the planet’s gravity well and the repulsorlifts are located on the bottom of the ships.

    Out of movie, the masses generally think in 2-D. If Lucas had oriented the ships any other way, he’d have gotten applause from a small (relatively speaking) portion of his audience. The rest would be asking “What the f—?”

    Of course, a good chunk of the audience was screaming that anyway but for entirely different reasons.

  18. #18 Soren015
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    I have to say, if anything Star Wars holds on to the 2D anachronism. Why are all the large ships in agreement on matters of Up and Down ? It would have been awesome if some of them had been facing in completely random directions.

  19. #19 LiliumNightShade
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    there goes the kitchen sink at 2:17

  20. #20 SpacedTime
    on Jul 20th, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    Tron always pissed me off a bit. There was no logic there bat all. Although life could be comparable with that of a computer program, how can you merge the two using a camera?
    Not for me. But I did enjoy that bike scene.

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